2 takeaways from Trump’s interview with Gove

by Hugo Dixon | 16.01.2017

Will the president-elect’s promised trade deal really be quick and fair? And are we safe with a pro-Putin, anti-EU, NATO-sceptic in the White House? These are the two main takeaways from Donald Trump’s interview with Michael Gove.

The Times says the president-elect pledged “a quick and fair trade deal with America within weeks of taking office”. Trump’s exact words were: “We’re gonna work very hard to get it done quickly and done properly. Good for both sides.”

But there are a host of reasons to doubt a deal will be done quickly, most of which are pointed out in this FT article.

Britain can’t legally negotiate trade deals until it actually quits the EU, which won’t be before 2019. Even then, it may not make sense for us and America to pin down trading terms until our own long-term deal with the EU has been clinched – and that may take several more years. What’s more, negotiating ambitious trade deals normally takes ages, even with the best will in the world, because of the complexity of the topic and the need to balance multiple competing interests.

There are also reasons to be sceptical over whether any deal we reach with Trump will be a fair one. The president-elect may now feel warm and cuddly towards Brexiters, whom he sees as kindred spirits. But when and if talks begin, they will be driven by cool commercial calculations. Trump will realise that we need a deal more than he does because Theresa May will be desperate to show she can open up new markets post-Brexit.

One thing we know about the White House’s next inhabitant is that he loves driving a hard bargain. A particular fear is that US companies may push for us to open up the NHS to competition as the price for a deal.

During the referendum, Brexiters raised fears that this would happen as part of the TTIP trade pact being negotiated between the EU and America. This was a myth. We were able to resist privatisation pressure because the EU’s economy is bigger than the US one. But it may not be so easy to say “no” when we are negotiating on our own, given that our economy is one seventh the size of America’s.

Sheer folly

Trump’s interview with Gove also underlined that he is pro-Putin, anti-EU and sceptical about NATO. The president-elect said he might drop the sanctions imposed on Russia after it annexed Crimea, predicted other countries apart from Britain would quit the EU and described NATO as “obsolete” (though he added “NATO is very important to me”).

Some of what Trump said made sense. He was right to criticise Angela Merkel for her “catastrophic mistake” of welcoming an unlimited number of Syrian refugees to Germany. It was probably accurate to say that, without this policy, the British people wouldn’t have voted for Brexit, even though hardly any Syrians made their way to the UK.

At present, we are surrounded by a vast, peaceful buffer zone: the EU. But beyond that, danger signs are flashing everywhere. Just look at the map: Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya.

America’s outgoing ambassador to the EU has described Trump’s apparent desire to break the bloc up as “sheer folly”. His chumminess with Putin is even more risky for Britain than it is for America, since we are closer to the front line.

Brexiters are cock-a-hoop over Trump’s imminent arrival in the White House. We should all be careful of what they wished for.

The first paragraph after the sub-head “sheer folly” was edited shortly after publication to add Trump’s exact words about NATO.

4 Responses to “2 takeaways from Trump’s interview with Gove”

  • I don’t at all agree that Trump “was right to criticise Angela Merkel for her ‘catastrophic mistake’ of welcoming an unlimited number of Syrian refugees to Germany”. Whether of not that was a misjudgement (and I think it was), it is extremely unhelpful that an incoming US President should be saying so in public – especially to a has-been British Minister who urges the break-up of the EU.

  • Hugo

    “He was right to criticise Angela Merkel for her “catastrophic mistake” of welcoming an unlimited number of Syrian refugees to Germany. It was probably accurate to say that, without this policy, the British people wouldn’t have voted for Brexit, even though hardly any Syrians made their way to the UK.”

    Surely this is wild speculation. How can you possibly know this to be true? It is also deeply questionable in ethical terms. Germany’s acceptance and reception under Angela Merkel of the Syrian refugees was been one of the few brave acts of humanitarian leadership in a terrible year. Would you rather have let these people die under bombs, drown or rot in camps to keep British xenophobes happy?

    We must all help each other .not to lose our wits or our moral compasses in these dark times.


  • What is “right” in a political sense and what is “right” in a humanitarian sense. Just yesterday watched what happened to Jewish refugees trying to escape the nazis and from that point of view I am in total agreement with what Angela Merkel did. But I agree that in all likelihood, through bad organization, it fuelled British xenophobia and caused the nation to do the utterly stupid thing of voting to leave the EU, using a Tory political spat to risk breaking up the one organization that managed to keep Europe reasonably peaceful and prosperous since the WWII fiasco. A for Europe very dangerous situation is the result. Congratulations!

  • The Leave campaign and UKIP unscrupulously misled sections of the public by conflating the movement of refugees into Europe with the freedom of movement of EU citizens (remember the infamous poster). Now, thanks to the referendum result and the lack of resistance by the government, we are in the dreadful situation of being subject to their policies.